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Exercise 101 – The Squat – Fact from Fiction!
Over the past couple of weeks I have been thinking over and over how I would ever cover all the bases to do with the squat! The amount of contrasting information out there is incredible. So, in order to really look at what information and advice is truly sound, I had to consult both mine and others’ personal experience with overcoming problems with the squat. Combining bio-mechanics, physiology and experience provides the best guidance on this fundamental exercise. First I will introduce you to the basics. Be prepared though as this is a long article, but it will prove very useful.
How to squat?
Firstly the length of your legs and torso influences the knee position during your squats. So, your knees may or may not come over your toes depending on your build. Knee position is therefore irrelevant. What matters is knee stability and the following teaching points:
- Stand with the feet shoulder width apart, knees and feet turned outward – allowing the knees to open, means you can greater utilise hip mobility (Remember hips should be mobile, knees should be stable).
- Bend FIRST at the hips, then the knees, and use your hamstrings to pull your body downward (aiming for below parallel). Controlling this movement, prevents “bouncing” on the knees and also effectively works the muscles during the eccentric phase of the exercise.
- Keep the back straight and the head up throughout.
- To stand up, FIRST squeeze the glutes, then the quads (pushing them down and outward to stabilise the knees). Power the hips up then forward, NOT forward then up (this prevents the body leaning forward).
- Squeeze the glutes all the way to the top until the hips “snap” forward and the body is stable – keeping the glutes active throughout helps prevent lower back and knee injuries (explained later).
What’s the big deal about squats?
The squat is an amazingly beneficial exercise that not only targets the legs, but core and upper body too. It is great for gaining muscle, strength, flexibility and stability. Because it is a functional exercise we can benefit from the movement and the strength gained from it in every day life. Also, because it uses so many muscles together, it’s a super calorie burner!
What’s the Problem then?
Modern life is the problem, when it comes to performing a proper squat. It is the disfunctions that we develop through lack of activity that are responsible for the problems that are associated with squatting! Not the squat itself. All exercises, if done incorrectly or more accurately, without correct awareness, will cause all sorts of problems. If we become more aware of where the problems actually lie, then we can work towards correcting them, without the need to avoid an excellent exercise which has so many benefits!
Where do the problems lie?
It is clear through my research that the problems lie in 6 main areas:
- Weak, dormant and/or tight posterior chain muscles (hamstrings, lower back, calves and the glutes)
- Over dominant hip flexors
- Poor hip mobility
- Weak, unstable knees
- Poor core activation
- Being mentally disconnected to your body – lack of co-ordination and awareness of movements.
So what now?
- First warm up WELL! This increases synovial fluid in the joints, which protects them, and increases flexibility of the muscles. It also starts connecting your mind to you muscles, so FOCUS. If you are going to be doing weighted squats, warm up by including some body weight squats to your routine, this will help warm up the correct squatting muscles, or at least prepare you for the squat. Then follow the drills below.
- Firstly, below is a videos of a few select exercises to help “re-activate” the glutes and mobilise the hips:
- Now, below is a video with demonstrations of a hip flexor and hamstring stretch routine. In addition to the hamstring warm up here, I would recommend one hamstring stretch in between sets of squats, just to keep lengthening them, but only do one. At the end of your workout, you can then add a longer stretch in:
How deep?
It is ONLY when we squat below parallel that the posterior chain is truly activated. Therefore squatting no deeper than that will only benefit the quads and likely contribute to tightening the hamstrings and lower back. If you only ever move within one plane of movement, you will never gain full range. However, the depth of the squat can impact on the lower back.
Lower back “rounding”
If your flexibility only allows you to squat to parallel before your lower back rounds, then you need more work on hamstring flexibility. This “rounding” effect can potentially put too much strain on the spinal discs and cause pain. The lower back may allow for deeper squats in the future though, as flexibility improves.
What does this lower back “rounding” look like? Below are 2 videos of lower back “rounding” on these random YouTubers. I couldn’t get an obvious enough video of mine rounding, so here is a typical example (men generally get it worse than women, but women are build to be more supple – sorry guys!):
This one is body weight only:
Here, the rounding issue is not his only one. This is also an example of leading with the knees and not “pulling” yourself down into the squat, he just drops – and especially with weights involved, this is potentially very dangerous for his back and knees:
Personally, I always squatted deeper than parallel, despite the “rounding”, as I was unaware. However now this has greatly improved. I put this down to glute activation, and overall strength gain. My hamstrings now do their job and not the glutes’ so they function properly thus preventing this rounding. If I have not fully warmed up, I do still get more rounding.
What about knees?
Knee pain can come from many things, but ironically what strengthens and stabilises them, are strong and flexible hamstrings and glutes (which squats help build). If your knees have been over-compensating for the lack of hamstring strength/flexibility then they will be more prone to injury. Also, with lack of glute activation, the squat will be quad dominant on the upward phase, leaning the body forward and placing more pressure on the knees.
If your knees bow inwards, you may also have weak abductor muscles (this includes the glute medius), so concentrate on pushing down and outward with your quads and feet on the upward phase of the squat. The “Jane Fonda’s” will help here too.
With regards to squatting deeper, this should not injure your knees, it does however help in strengthening them, because you are activating the posterior chain more.
What else will help my squats?
- Do Box Squats – having a bench behind you to sit on will help you visualise the correct movement, in that a squat is pulling the hips downwards, not the knees. The knees just support. It will also help take the pressure off the lower back and allow you to focus on squeezing the correct muscles on the upward phase.
- Swing! The Kettlebell Swing is one of the best hamstring, glute, and hip exercises, so use it! This is when you really notice if the glutes are active, as the swing is so much harder without the hip “snap”. The hip snap should allow the Kettlebell to travel to shoulder height without the shoulder rolling forward, or the arms helping. The swing is also a great dynamic warm up exercise for the posterior chain. Only difference for a warm up is lighten the load.
- Pose! I’m not being funny here, but posing is one of the best ways to become aware of your body and link what you want to happen, to what actually happens. Get yourself in front of a mirror and practice Activating the Core for example, or tensing certain target muscles and gain control of your body. It is well known that fitness models and bodybuilders have a hard time mastering this “art”, and it may be more about showing off and a little vain, but it is a pretty useful exercise – and I use the word “exercise” on purpose, because it’s hard work!
How will I ever master the squat (to sum up)?
- Keep focused, keep practicing.
- Body weight first.
- Add in split squats for “balance” between leg strength, as we all have a dominant side.
- Think glutes glutes glutes! I swear this is the best thing I ever did, was activate my glutes!
Let me share a story about my glutes LOL. When my arthritis was really bad I could not clench my butt on one side, it was so sore and nothing seemed to happen. When I did squats, the knee on that side bowed inward and my whole body swayed one way. What I know now is the synergist muscles were compensating for lack of glute action and my glute medius, lower back and even my groin would be tight and sore – all these muscles were in spasm and pretty useless for squatting.
Now, since the pain has gone, the glutes can tighten and balance has been returned (after a long road). Now, my body is spasm free and my flexibility is returning
I knew my butt was my best feature, but I never really knew why until now.
Make your butts your best feature and waken them up!
I REALLY hope I have covered enough LOL to help you get the most from your squats. Proper form is one thing, but you need to first be aware of which muscles need to work and how.
Please leave feedback and let me know if this was useful. If I have missed anything, point it out and I’ll try to help.
Enjoy the drills and happy squatting
Cheers
Marianne
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Hi Marianne,
thank-you so much for this wonderful and super-complete tutorial and explanation. Excellent job! The part on how to activate the glutes and mobilize the hips is very interesting and extremely useful.
I have one last question on this subject, which I am asking just to make sure that I understood everything correctly. When you talk about “rounding of the lower back” you mean that it’s actually kind of creating an inward “C”, with the lower back pointing towards the calves? Is this exactly what you mean when you say “rounding”? I mean: is the direction of the “rounding” inwards, towards the calves?
I know this is the silliest question ever, especially considering there are examples in the videos, but I really want to make sure that I got everything straight (and not round, lol).
Thanks again Marianne. I am really grateful that you have taken up so much of your time to answer my question with such great detail and attention.
It is a very important issue, though, and so I am sure many other people will benefit from your article/video.
Cheers
Bianca
Thanks Bianca
Yes you’re right about what you think. When in a standing position, the lower back has a natural concave curve (Lordosis), as you squat, the lower back can and usually does straighten, but if the hamstrings pull too tightly, like in most cases, the curve goes the other way and becomes convex. While your body can probably deal with this most of the time, it is risking injury to a vulnerable area, given the extreme change in pressure for the discs. Add weight to that and, well, it increases the risk. I was lucky not to have any issues, but the standard advice seems to be, don’t let your back “round”. Sort out the flexibility issues first. This isn’t a sentence to shallow squats for life, but it actually shows there is something to be done to optimise your squatting potential by correcting these issues.
So what you should do is assess when in your squat the “rounding” happens and only squat to there until you improve the other issues. Each time you squat you may notice them becoming deeper
Cheers
Marianne
I think my challenge when squatting is poor ankle mobility– they don’t seem to dorsaflex very well. Any suggestions for this? Perhaps a future video?
Keep up the good work! This is an excellent resource.
Yes, this is another issue. I will include suggestions for this
One thing that is very good is myofascial release. I use a tennis ball under my foot which helps lengthen the tendons that run into the calf. It also helps release tension in the hamstrings. Foam rollers also great for helping increase flexibility and mobility in the muscles around these joints.
Thanks Bree, I will look into that.
Cheers
Marianne
Thanks. I love my foam roller for my hamstrings and IT bands, but hadn’t thought about using it for my ankle/calf tends. Good idea!
I tried it on my calf and down near the ankle, boy is it tender down there :/ phew!!
Can I post a link to the man who created the sandbag so that people can see that some things a popular fitness lady does are incorrect about the way she is doing the squat. This is important so that people will know why they need to becareful of who they emulate. It could be dangerous. Please let me know.It goes with your program of doing squats the correct way.
Yeah of course you can, if it helps people squat better, I’m ok with that.
Cheers
Marianne
hope this is okay. Does this go along the lines of performing a good squat. http://tinyurl.com/47zkl55.. The reason I post this is because a certain lady is doing them incorrectly with a great product. Love how he also says it.
Hi Cheryl,
you are very polite in calling that person a “lady”, as she does all she can not to appear as a “lady”.
I will check your link. Thanks for posting it.
Cheers
Bianca
lol. I was trying to be tactful. But I don’t think there is a really good way when referring to her. It is disturbing. I’ve been looking a lot of my video covers, and not one is even similar. Even Jari Love doesn’t, Jillian doesnt. Jackie Werner has no clothes on either but she looks more like a muscular woman, all the yoga dvds, . Our Marianne looks great and sexy without that in your face attitude.
Cheryl, your link doesn’t seem to work?
how about this one. I was trying to make it tiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X572Ubho5Eg&feature=related
Thanks Cheryl, I got it. Some good advice there and demos.
Marianne
Hi Marianne,
the link works, I checked it. Just delete the last “full stop” after the number 55.
So the correct link would be:
http://tinyurl.com/47zkl55
The title of the video, filmed by the creator of the sandbag is,
“HOW NOT TO SQUAT”.
And the way not to squat is precisely Zuzana’s sandbag squat.
Cheers
Bianca
OK I got it now. Interesting. Although, in fairness to Zuzana, she does have great flexibility to actually avoid this problem herself. However, she does not warn others who most likely do not.
Cheers for the link Cheryl
Marianne
Didn’t you get the sense he was realy referring to her also? I think he was because put up a link to her with the sandbag so I know he watched that and had to comment on it. Not sure of the dates but when I looked at his, I was like, wow. He sure hit the head on the nail there. I would not have known it was incorrect and just gone on and tried to duplicate her.
Hi Cheryl,
I think you are right. The creator of the sandbag Josh Henkin was probably referring to Zuzana too, when he mentioned “other trainers”. His video was uploaded on January 2nd 2011 and in the comment section of the video he writes:
“Sandbag training offers tremendous versatility, however, lots of people are using sandbags just WRONG! There are some common mistakes to sand bag training, but nothing could be worse than hurting yourself like this sandbag exercise of back squatting a sandbag. Find out why this is so dangerous!”
Makes you wonder. But I never thought Zuzana was a professional trainer anyway, despite her online certifications. Online!
Bianca
She should get certified. It be be a piece of cake for her. At least the practical part, if there is any. She is getting people moving to try though and that’s good. (even me). I bought the jump rope and dip station. Like Marianne says, I can always use them. My friend said she glad I’ve picked up my KBs again.
Hi Cheryl,
I’m sure you’ll find your skipping rope and dip station very useful too. And kettlebells are by far my favourite training tool. I have seen wonderful results and I was a complete beginner when I started using them.
Cheers
Bianca
Hi Marianne,
Just passing through, as always great video’s . I did the sideline home workout today with a few modifications. All in all a challenging workout. Whew!!!! My main reason for writing is to share with you how much easier the planks are becoming. I used to struggle, they’re not easy but I can sure do a lot more than I did
In the past. Just watching you, girl you make them look so easy. Your tutorial helped as I now tighten up, breathe and relax the mind.
Thank you,
Minnie
Ps- your upper body is amazing. Strong and very feminine.
Thanks Minnie, I’m glad the tutorial helped, but you are the one putting in the hours too. It’s good to hear you are seeing improvements.
Hi Marianne,
This was flat-out amazing…tops on my wish list. I will have to go over it several times to properly digest it all, and make sure Im doing the movementscorrectly and remember all the great info. I tried the movement bring foot to hand in push up position…couldnt get it quitw there, but I lowered and felt excatly what you described. I also did the hip flexor move from one Knee, arms raised? Terriffic ! I can see this improving my flexibilty and workout productivity enormously. Thank you SO much!
John
ps- would this be beneficial to do each morning after waking, or would it be overdoing it?
John, as long as you get warmed up, I see no problem with adding a few of these to your morning routine. Many people practice yoga in the morning to get the nerves firing and the body prepared for the day ahead. If you are sitting a lot during your day then you will benefit from this greatly to work against the tightening effects of sitting. It’s not over-doing it, in fact I think if I had more time I would stretch more – you always feel great after. I think the Yoga Plex is a great one, because it kinda loosens everything up, especially around the hips and the middle of the back which feels good (my problem area).
I’m gald you found this article useful. I missed out one thing that I will cover in the future, which is calf and ankle mobility and flexibility. So that may help too.
Oh I sooo need my bed :@ zzzzzzzz
Cheers
Marianne
Marianne, this was incredibly helpful! Something you said in the squat tutorial made me realize that when I squat, even lunge back, I will often fold forward instead of keeping my core and legs/glutes tight. I did a lower body workout today and was PARTICULARLY aware of what my core was doing and I took all of the exercises very slowly – and it felt much better! I was able to activate my glutes more and hold better posture. Thanks for posting these!
Melissa
You’re welcome Melissa, the if there are 2 muscle groups or even 2 muscles I could tell people to try and “re-activate” or become more aware of it would be the Lats and Glutes. And notice how both these are posterior chain muscles.
Cheers
Marianne
I have to tell you Marianne, you’re site is the BEST! Love all of your tutorials and workouts! I haven’t been able to go through all of these squat explanations, but I will do that this weekend. I just had to thank you for all that you do for us and how much I truly appreciate your site and you!
Thank you Roxanne, I appreciate you letting telling me that
I hope this helps your squats as much as it has mine.
Cheers
Marianne
I am going to like the sandbag and the kettbell training. he at least has done both. And what I learn from my Kettblebell, I can use in some moves with the sandbag. Just for varieety and avoid stagnation. Did I make up a word?? lol Stagnation.
Hi Marianne!
I feel like I lean too far forward when I squat. I can do box squats very upright, but it just seems like I can’t stop from going forward the rest of the time (and when I do wall squats I tend to tip over backwards, haha). I make sure to activate my glutes/core and feel it in my hamstrings but I can’t seem to stay upright, and my lower back gets tired (my lower back is rather weak, however). Any suggestions?
Sable, without getting too complicated your problem could be a few things:
1) Biomechanically, you may not be built for squats. IE you may have a long femor bone which, as you squat down, pushes your hips too far back, meaning you have to counter-balance and over-compensate with an upper body lean.
2) You may have poor ankle mobility (which turns out to be the one thing I didn’t include in this article, but I will be adding it in). Try to stretch out your achilles more and this may help you. I will complete a section on this in more depth.
3) When you say you have no problems doing a box squat, I am assuming you mean both on the downward and upward phase, there is no leaning. If this is the case, it may be a “mental block” – like because you know there’s no box there, so it may throw things off without you really knowing why.
I spoke to Andrew about this and in his experience, you can do a few things to work around this:
1) Do front squats instead of back squats
2) Do Bulgarian/Split squats
3) And focus on flexibility through hamstrings and ankles.
4) Work on strengthening your lower back.
I hope this helps, and keep a wee eye out for my “ADD-ON” about ankle mobility. (can’t believe I missed it)
Cheers
Marianne
What is a back squat?
Hey, it’s when the load is on your back, usually a barbell held in place on a “shelf” made with your Traps. See my Gym Bunny Video at 0:41 to see me doing them back in March last year.
Cheers
Marianne
Gurrllll I’m scared of you!!! dang women. Lift that bar, tote that bail… Your in the Army now… I see I see:) thank you.
I look back at that and can see things I was doing wrong
Though it shows a journey, which is important. Notice my lower back “rounding” in the squats? That was only about 3 months after re-starting proper training after about a 3 month break because of the arthritis. Can’t believe how far I have come – although I did have a thinner face back then
Ah well, sacrifices!
Marianne
yup Marianne. I did see that. I just thought it was cause you were doing a back squat. Is that the vid you are referring to in tkhe previous comment? or if not, I thought it was rounded cause you were lifting heavy.
I think it was mainly my flexibility back then, I had crap glute activation compared to now. Going to do a new gym-based video someday to show you all what I do for heavy strength, although much the same, but better than this one. Will be good to compare my form though.
Marianne, such a terrific job you’ve done! This is excellent and very useful information.
I try to squat deeper than parallel, but my lower back is rounding in the lowest point.
I asked my boyfriend to check my form when I squat: I can keep the good form until slightly deeper than parallel, after that my lower back rounds and of course it is round at the lowest point.
I guess that’s my hamstrings, right? or can it be the lower back flexibility issue?
I am asking because in my yoga classes I can fold forward (standing and seated) pretty good (my face is below my knees), but still my lower back is rounding.
Just trying to understand if my problem with squat is in hamstrings or in my lower back flexibility.
Thank you so much for such an amazing article!
Ali
PS: You can also do sun salutation if you ever get tired of yoga plex
These are good for warm-up as well
Posterior chain tightness could be the reason. I stupidly missed out on major reason people have difficulty squatting, but I will add more on it. This is ankle mobility/flexibility. Ankles, calfs, hamstrings and back flexibility are all linked, if one is tighter it affects all the rest. Poor achilles flexibility can be corrected, so include some stretching for here too. Also roll a tennis ball or similar under your foot, this will help release the plantar fascia, which will help the whole posterior chain too.
The “rounding” happens when there is pulling (from somewhere along the posterior chain) on the lower back. It could be the back itself, but it’s best to cover all bases
Hope this helps
Marianne
Hi Marianne,
Yes, it does help, as always
I think I got it now. Will have to work on all ankles, calfs, hamstrings and back flexibility.
When you saying to roll a tennis ball under the foot, you mean just to roll the ball under the foot in different directions?
This morning I was going to work, and was thinking about this squatting issue. Here we are talking about the normal full squat (squatting on both feet). Is it the same for one-leg squat (pistol)? Seems like yes, but not sure and wanted to check with you.
Thank you much!
Ali
Hi Ali, Roll the ball forward and back, toes to heel, heel to toes. It will feel tender, but it really feels great after!
Pistols are a slightly different ball game LOL, get it? :/ Because you need strong hip flexors and flexible hammies, ankles and lower back too. Both sides of the body are doing different things (one leg out straight in front and the other in a squat) and if you don’t have the flexibility, you will hurt your knees with this one. I used to do the pistol, but I shouldn’t have been doing it then due to poor flexibility – so I got sore knees. Well, I might do a tutorial on it eventually. It is a great strength and flexibility exercise, but it is very advanced.
As you are saying you have issues with the normal squat, maybe iron them out first before advancing it to the pistol. But the pistol is an excellent exercise, and there are variations, so I’ll put it on my very long “to do” list LOL
Cheers
Marianne
This tennis ball is very good suggestion. It is on list of items to purchase. I just read about this also in my reflexology book. On taking care of our feet and massaging them. This book said golf ball, but I’m sure the rolling hits the muscles, tendons that need to relax.
Yup, same thing – it hurts a bit though :/
Yeah, tennis ball is also on the list of my next purchase.
I questioned Pistols because sometimes I use it as filler between sections in the workout. So I was just curious if it would be the same principals… Good to know that not. Yes, I should have thought that both sides of the body are doing two different things at the same time.
As for the squat… for sure I will give full squats more attention. In the gym I only squat until parallel to the floor and my back is fine (no rounding). I guess now it is time to move further and master full squats with the bar
Ali
Hi Marianne,
I have another question regarding squats, for which I would appreciate to know your and Andrew’s (Myomytv’s “special consultant”) opinion. I was speaking about squats with a fitness trainer and he was saying that, in his opinion, the reason why it’s not a good idea to squat below 90 degrees (the angle between the thigh and the calf) is that deeper squats can cause injuries to your knees. In particular, he was saying that creating an acute angle (like a 45 degree angle) between thigh and calf increases the pressure inside the knee, therefore making the kneecap press against joints, ligaments, etc.
In other words, he recommends squatting at 90 degrees – and not deeper – in order to preserve the knees.
Whenever you have time (don’t worry about answering immediately, I know you are very busy), could you please let me know if this theory makes sense?
Thanks.
Cheers
Bianca
Bianca, I understand why your trainer thinks this way, as most people get knee problems from poor squatting. But, as I said in the article, it is the issues related to poor posterior chain strength, stability and flexibility that cause undue strain on the knees. In addition to this the knee joint is at its most stable in full extension (standing) and full flexion (full squat). At the half way point, you are relying on your knees ALONE to hold you in a parallel squat – not good if you have weak knees, hamstrings, glutes, etc.
Plus, it is only when you squat below parallel that the posterior chain is truely involved in the movement, therefore getting stronger at the same time. Provided there is no rounding of the lower back and pelvis, you should squat lower than parallel.
Just look at power lifters, olypmic lifts etc, in the barbell snatches, squats etc the lifter goes to a deep squat to activate the power from the lift. If they were to stop at 90 degrees, they’d break their back, or their knees would cave. I believe from what I have read and experienced that below 90 degrees is essential to building proper strength and muscular balance, provided the flexibility allows it.
It annoys me that there seems to be a divide of opinion out there about this. But I guess, you just need to try both ways and see which method can get you the best squats. Can you progress your weights with the 90 degree approach and get great glutes? I don’t know. I always found 90 degree squats hurt my knees more :/
I doubt I will convince your trainer, but he is unlikely to convince me either
Cheers
Marianne
Hi Marianne,
thanks for the reply. I honestly prefer to trust you, as I prefer squatting lower and I want to exercise my glutes properly and, above all, your explanation seems absolutely convincing.
On top of that, I have also seen other “deep squatters” like Contreras, Lauren Brooks and others (can’t remember Jordan Vezina, but I think he squats deep too).
It’s just annoying to hear my trainer tell me all the time that I am doing it wrong.
Cheers
Bianca
Bianca, I”ve seen a lot of the KB instructors do the low squat. Sarah Laurie, lauren, and I’ll have to check to see if Pavel does it but that’s in that particular exercise. I think Pavel used a Box squat also in his DVD.I’ve since given that DVD away but I think he just goes that far. Anthony does it. When I went for training, in KBs, he told me if it bothers your knee joint, not to do it. Just like in Yoga, I don’t enjoy a pigeon pose, so I don’t do it.
I can imagine it is frustrating. I trust Andrew’s experience and, on my KB intructors course when we were cover the front squat, the first thing the teacher asked was “do you all squat lower than 90 or just to 90?” He was impressed that everyone squatted lower. He says he always asked this because there is usually always someone who believes deep squatting is bad for your knees. His only caution was the lower back rounding.
If I squat “ass on grass” I can better “ground” my feet and actively push my knees outwards while firing my glutes – all these things help the knees. Stopping half way just feels weird and strains my lower back a bit too – so I can’t see it being better. If you prefer squatting lower, work on that
Cheers
Marianne
Thank you Marianne for wonderful inspiration!
Once again you have proven females to be more verbal and mobile. I really like watching your workouts and listening to your basics on core stability.
My trainer at the gym explained how the abdominal should be tight during exercises but missed the gluteus tutorial completely he just added the Kettlebell Swing.
That I did not add because I did not know the purpose of the exercise.
Thanks to body pump 60 min/15min step up = 75+ workouts to loud music my glut’s have been burning and strengthening the core posture.
I’m 57years old living in Sweden and train with Friskis&Svettis, a Swedish keep-fit organisation with almost 500,000 members across Europe.
Enjoy!.. Greg
Thank you Greg, glad you found this helpful. It was only in the past few months that I have realise how important the glutes are in everything!
Cheers
Marianne
Hey Marianne! Thanks for the information regarding stretching to improve form for a deep squat! I really need to get better at stretching – I get sooo lazy and I know I could easily end up with an injury! Will try your suggestions and hopefully be able to squat like you!
Just an FYI -I’m an occupational therapist, and reading your description of the muscles involved in a squat, I wanted to comment that the hip flexors are not involved at all. On the down phase the hamstrings contract with an eccentric contraction to allow your hips to flex toward the ground slowly, and your glutes actually complete an eccentric contraction to let your knees bend slowly to the ground. When you stand up, the quads contract concentrically to extend the knees and the glutes…etc extend the hips with a concentric contraction. We had to analyze every muscle involved in various body movements and sometimes the muscles that “should” be working, when moving WITH gravity, are not – actually the opposite are working with the eccentric contraction to lower the body part slowly to the ground. A good example would be the biceps curl with a weight – the biceps typically flex the elbow and triceps extend the elbow – when doing a curl of course the biceps contract to lift the weight against gravity, but when you lower the weight, if the triceps contracted you would throw the weight down to the ground forcefully – instead, the biceps continue but change to an eccentric contraction to allow you to slowly lower the weight to the ground. Concentric contractions are a shortening of the muscle, and an eccentric is a controlled lengthening of the muscle in the opposite direction! Hope this makes sense!
Good description here http://www.fia.com.au/FIA_mo/fp_archive/fp1.htm
and you can look up eccentric vs concentric contractions! Sorry,it is a small pet peeve. I know you know what you are doing and I often learn a lot from you, but I’ve heard some other personal trainers say they are working a certain muscle, and I cringe because that is NOT the muscle that is being targeted!!
I know you appreciate feedback and it is not to be rude, it’s just more information to add to your expertise!
Thanks for everything!
Hi Michelle, thank you for pointing this out. I will be amending this post. But I did contact my friend Bret Contreras about this and he has additional information to add. He did say that my explanation was mistaken in many ways, as you have pointed out and now I can change it to be correct. But for your own information you might be interested to know his take on your answer (sorry, Bret didn’t know by my email if you were male or female, so of course assumed it was a man):
“The occupational therapist’s rationale is pretty good, and his explanation actually makes more sense if thinking about a bodyweight squat (the hamstrings controlling hip flexion). But as load increases the glutes come more into play and become much more active. I don’t agree that the glutes contract eccentrically to control knee flexion. Their contribution to this task is very slight and the bulk of the task is carried out by eccentric contractions of the quads. But he’s right about the role of antagonists during eccentric contractions – if the hip flexors approached MVC in a squat it would mean that you’d be rapidly accelerating hip flexion which would crash you down into the floor.”
Obviously my understanding of biomechanics needs to be expanded and I am glad that you pointed this out, as now I understand more and have more knowledge to put to good use.
Cheers
Marianne
Great! I actually meant your “quads” control the knee flexion with an eccentric contraction – not the glutes which aren’t even associated with the knee!! LOL oops!! I just think it is good to know the contractions, although no one probably really cares all that much except an anatomy nerd like me!
I did try some of your stretches you mentioned as I am struggling to complete deep knee squats and have actually started having some sacroilliac (SI) joint pain when doing backward lunges, in addition to a little knee pain (the knee pain may be because we are having SOOOO much rain here!) I really do poorly with stretching, and with as much exercise and squats as I am doing with your routines, I need to get smarter and start protecting my joints, strengthening those stabilizers if I want to continue to progress!
Thanks for your comment – again, I learn so much from you and have almost completely stopped going to that “other” site, because you are much more knowledgable and willing to “teach” not just show us exercises with no explanation of form, possible injury, need for stretching…etc! That’s the kind of trainer I want to follow – and I really enjoy your site and appreciate all you teach us!
Have a great day!
Michele
Glad to be of help to you
Sorry to hear about your SI pain – I sure know all about that after YEARS of suffering from it. Obviously I had an auto-immune disease process to blame, but I also have very annoyingly tight hip flexors. I am just wondering about your SI and knee pain, and where this is coming from.
I appreciate that you felt you could comment here and tell me I was wrong. As hard as it is sometimes to admit it, I WANT to learn and I am not so arrogant that I feel I cannot learn from a variety of sources – so thank you for sharing your knowledge. You should’ve seen Bret’s response to my lame attempt to explain the biomechanics of the squat LOL – I was totally mortified :/ Anyway, I’ll get over it.
It is great to have so many people to learn from – This is why I am so glad I started this blog, the network is expanding here and I have met so many great people from all over the world. Hopefully people will see there is greater learning from a collective of people with their own expertise rather than ONE mind-set, one goal and ONE person’s methods.
You have a great weekend
Marianne
Hey Marianne!
I just have a question – you may or may not be able to answer. Over the years I have concentrated sooo much on hitting my gluts and hamstrings when doing squats, that I have somewhat neglected my quads. Since I have been following you, I’m trying to do better, deeper squats and focusing ALSO on my quads. However, when I do wall sits and wall squats with stability ball, in addition to front load squats (wt in front of chest…very close to body) and when I am done, the tops of my knees (where the patellar tendon from the quads insert into the knee area) get VERY weak feeling. It isn’t really pain, but “loose” feeling. I have a hard time walking – especially when I straighten my leg to step out. One time I did a FitMiss routine, ending with wall squats and then jump rope, and I could NOT jump rope!!! My knees felt like they would collapse. Usually, even after all kinds of plyometrics, I can always jump rope – it was crazy. Do you think I just need to strengthen my quads more? Like, maybe straight leg raises (sitting upright)? Just wanted to know if you have experienced this before or have known anyone who has? My quads need some toning up, they are just not as in shape as my hamstrings (believe it or not)! Just let me know if you have any suggestions? If not – it is okay! BTW – since I have been doing some of your pre-sqat stretches, I am doing better with my deep squats!!
Thanks for any input you have. If I had pain, I would go to a doctor, but it doesn’t feel like an injury. It just feels like weakness that needs to be addressed slowly with some additional exercises!!
Have a great day!
Michele
Michele, Thanks for your question. Do you mind if I refer your question to Bret? Honestly, I don’t know why this would happen. I also don’t know what you mean by “straight leg raises”. I do know that Bulgarian squats are a great exercise for strengthening and building great quads.
Given my last attempt to explain the squat, I am reluctant to even hazzard a guess at your issue. I am quite sure Bret will know, as I do want to help you.
That’s great that you have noticed an improvement in your depth though
Thanks so much ~ I really need advice from someone who may have come across this. I am an OT and work with a lot of PT’s but many of them have not done sports medicine or worked with personal training – mainly general rehab – so they gave me a few ideas, but I would really like someone who would know to give me some advice. Again, my knees don’t hurt, they feel week near the area between my quads and my knee cap, and it recovers after a day or so, but still very uncomfortable. Like I said, after those wall sits (about 1 min 3 reps) there was no way I could jump because my knees couldn’t “spring back” to jump up…hard to describe but maybe Brett will know! Thanks a TON! I LOVE your site and have seen more results quicker than I did with the site I formly followed!
Michele
No worries Michele. I emailed Bret, but he might be a little while replying as he has just had surgery on his arm
But, I will post here, once he does. I am SO pleased to hear you are making progress with my workouts in comparison to that other site. Honestly, I’m not being cocky but, it doesn’t surprise me
I am glad you are part of this community because here, you have a voice
Hi Michele, Bret got back to me with his thoughts on your problem and here are some points that he made:
“1. While she may indeed be doing squats in a posterior chain dominant fashion (if she sits back and has a big forward trunk lean), however this would still work her quads, and I doubt she’d have too much strength imbalances.
2. I suspect this has just as much to do with endurance than strength.
3. She needs more quad endurance and strength, but I wouldn’t do wall sits, straight leg raises, or the like. I’d do short stroke lunges, Bulgarian split squats, step ups, or front squats with upright trunk. Stuff that still works the hip but works heavily on the knee joint.
4. She just needs to ramp up slowly and be methodical. Don’t get crazy and add in a bunch of stuff, don’t just up and do an entire FitMiss routine without building into it, etc.
5. Make sure she’s doing legs at least twice per week and start the workout off with a quad dominant exercise then follow it up with two hip dominant exercises. If she feels compelled, add in a supplemental quad dominant exercise at the end but don’t go overboard. One or two sets is fine. ”
Does this make sense to you Michele? Seriously, if you have any other queries, or you need something clarified, just let me know and I will gladly pass it on. Hope this helps in the mean time.
Marianne
Marianne -
Somewhat, yes. I have been working on legs a lot but front lunges and wall sits aren’t usually on the list. Not sure what short stroke lunges are (small lunges – forward or back?), but I know the others and will start. I also received some feedback from a PT friend at work. Thanks for taking the time to look into this – I really appreciate it! You are wonderful! Looking forward to more workouts!
Sincerely
Michele
No problem Michele. Think the short stroke refers to the length of your stride and the depth you sink when you lunge (most likely forward). The longer the stride and the deep you sink, the more posterior involvement maybe. If you keep them shallower, then it hits quads more? Not totally sure on that one myself -so those are just guesses, as I lunge around the room testing the difference LOL
Keep in touch
Thanks for this breakdown, Marianne.
I love squatting but feel like I have to do it behind closed doors at home!
Every time I’ve started squatting in a commercial gym, I get an instructor sidling over to me and telling me not to go below parallel and not to let my knees past my toes. Now, I’m not so arrogant as to believe that I have perfect squat form but I’m always trying to figure out my mistakes and correct them. I know I have a long way to go to get it right, but I wish I was getting advice from someone who knew what they were talking about rather than hearing the same old received wisdom over and over.
I have very long femurs for my leg length (so long that I have to sit on buses with my legs at an angle!) and have to tip my torso slightly forward or I’ll fall on my backside. I keep my heels planted on the ground and push through them when I’m rising out of the squat. It’s almost physically impossible to keep my knees from going slightly beyond my toes.
Sorry, that’s my little rant, going to examine all the points you made again and try to digest them.
Lisa, I hear ya and I totally understand! Don’t worry about what that instructor is saying, he obviously doesn’t understand that everyone squats differently. There are some basic guidelines to help with the movement pattern, but everyone has differing styles.
If you are able to squat below parallel and you low back doesn’t round, then it’s ok.
If you are able to squat and your knees shift forward over your toes, then that’s ok too, as long as you have the ankle flexibility and, if you have a barbell on your shoulders, that the weight does not push your torso forward so much that it compromises your low back.
Also watch that your knees don’t cave inward.
It might be that you need to have a wider stance and point your feet and knees out more to allow more room for your hips to drop in to.
Also consider that there are some people who just aren’t built to squat. You can box squat, bulgarian squat, lunge instead.
Hope this helps
Thanks for taking the time to suggest all those guidelines, Marianne, really appreciate it.
I’ve taken to doing the goblet squat in the gym, somehow taking up a 30kg dumbell and squatting with it attracts less attention than a similar-weight barbell squat (can’t go much higher as there’s no squat rack, same instructor pointed me to the Smith machine when I enquired why there wasn’t one, yeah, thanks, I’d love a herniated disc!).
The goblet squat doesn’t push me as far forward as the barbell back squat and the weight in the centre seems to help my hips drop in, like you described above. Also, inspired by your good self, I’ve been doing kettlebell swings much more regularly and it’s really made me more confident with squatting, I just have more power in the posterior!
I do try to keep my knees out and I never get any pain in them from squatting or lunging. I do think there could be a slight lower back weakness but the kb swings are really helping with that too. Ankle mobility is ok, but I think I have tight calves and hamstrings, so I have a go at them with the foam roller a couple of times a week.
Thanks again for all your help.
Lisa, you might find what Sable has written useful.
That is a pity there’s no squat rack! I would get on them about that. He suggested Smith Machine Squats! :-/
The Goblet Squat rocks, but I know what you mean about not being heavy enough. If you learned to Clean the BB you could do front squats, but then Clean would draw even more attention
I am glad you are seeing improvements from your swings though. Doing a glute activation drill prior to swings might help with the low back weakness. Maybe some good mornings could be added to your BB training. The bar alone would suffice for now.
Let me know how you get on
The gym is absolutely crowded with machines. Thankfully, they have an Olympic barbell, so I drag that over into the only non-machine covered space beside the fire exit to do my deadlifts and surreptitious squats.
I was actually doing a front squat when I was accosted that time, I could see him eyeing me beadily from across the gym when I did the clean… lol. He’d probably have a complete mickey fit if I broke out the barbell hip thrust! To be fair, apart from that dude, it’s got the best atmosphere of any gym around, all the other trainers are really friendly. Don’t laugh, but I quite enjoy the bodypump classes there. I know people sneer at them but I enjoy the camaraderie and it’s helped me get into a workout routine. They’re quite good for endurance too. I only do 1 or two classes a week now and save my energy for kbells and heavier weight training.
I have some glute activation exercises from Rachel Cosgrove’s book. I hated doing them (impatient with warm-ups) but must give them a shot again. Then I will be the Squat Monster, dreaded for miles around! You shall know me from the fearsome arse imprints in the ground!
Thanks yet again, good luck with the GGS project, looks amazing, looking forward to seeing it develop.
Lisa
Lisa, I don’t judge you for liking pump classes, because you are getting something positive out of it. Plus you are not under the belief that those classes will build your strength and get you the body you want.
I am super impressed by everything you are doing, because you are being persistent in YOUR goals regardless of what others think. You are also seeking more information and researching how to strength train properly, so kudos to you!
Hi Lisa!
I would definitely recommend (everyone really) reading “Starting Strength” by Mark Ripptoe, which is basically the Bible of barbell training. (Not to say this isn’t an excellent write-up! It is!) It’s a huge book and has ~40-60 pages covering the basic exercises such as squats, deadlifts, bench press, power cleans, and presses, as well as some information on accessory exercises. I could NOT get my squat form down until I read it, even with a trainer. I ended up self-correcting many of the mistakes I made, such as not making a shelf with my shoulders for the bar, incorrect bar grip, not going deep enough, etc. I also always tried to keep my torso too far up, and always fell off balance. In the book it actually shows what people with different anthropometry look like at a 45 degree angle while squatting and it’s WAY different for each person. I’ve been in the gym a few weeks and thanks to my previous kettlebell work, I can correctly below parallel back squat 7 lbs less than my body weight for sets of five, and have actually been complimented on my form. There is also a program in the book if you are interested, but power cleans are evil. =)
Sable
P.S. Hi Marianne!!!
Oops, to clarify, 40-60 for EACH major barbell exercises. It’s a large book.
Thanks Sable, I’ve seen that book quoted by so many people, seems to be a real tried and tested classic. Perhaps if I could see illustrations of fellow long-thighed but short-calved curiosities such as myself squatting properly, it’d all click.
It’s out of stock on Amazon at the minute but I’ll keep an eye on it. Cheers, m’dear
Marianne, Thanks so much for this tutorial. “The Squat” has been my dreaded nemesis as long as I can remember. I have a short torso and long legs which I suspect why it’s feels very awkward. Try as I might, my knees end up over my toes, that is, if I don’t want to fall over backwards and land on aforementioned glutes. It’s not pretty.
This article and video demos give me something solid to focus on, not just the position of my knees.
So how does one properly do a push up? I think, like the squat, I’ve been focusing on the wrong muscle groups. The whole awkward execution of this exercise lands my face on the floor more often then not. I have fairly strong arms so am completely puzzled why more then one or two seem impossible. Yet another nemesis in my workout routine.
Thank you, thank you, thank you….
This is great Ann! I’m glad that you are making progress with the squat. Some people are just not built to squat well. Instead, you could do High Step Ups, Reverse Lunges, Bulgarian Split Squats. But if you master the squat to parallel, then you are doing well (given your limb lengths etc).
As for the Push Up. Here is my Tutorial for it
Hi Marianne,
This was a great article and after reading it I just learned that I have some of the lower back “rounding” that you have discussed here. I’ve never even heard that mentioned as a problem to look for in squatting. The problem is, I’m almost positive my hamstrings are NOT the problem. I’d really like to be able to improve on this because I really do love to do squats and would like to be able to do nice, deep squats. However, I am pretty certain that I have more flexible hamstrings than most. I have done a lot of yoga over the years (forward bends both standing and seated, as well as downward dogs) and can place my hands on the floor in front of me while keeping my legs straight quite easily. I wonder if there is another possible cause for the back rounding? I am currently suffering from patellar subluxation (my knee caps don’t track properly) due to ITB syndrome. Could the patella tracking problem or ITB syndrome be a possible reason for the back rounding rather than hamstring flexibility? Or maybe there is another possible reason?
Thank you so much for taking the time to put such thorough and useful information together for your readers, and for taking the time to answer individual questions like mine. You are truly an inspiration!
Leah
Hey Leah, I dug out a couple of article that might help you. It sounds like you just need to stick to shallower squats though, given your knee issue. It’s ok to do parallel squats. Or even box squats. Anyway, maybe these articles can help a little.
Take care
Thanks for the help Marianne
Thanks Marianne! After reading this post and the link you posted to a very informative article on motherfitness I am going back to body weight squats and lunges. It’s one thing to do an exercise wrong…it’s a whole other host of problems if you do it wrong wih weight! I always new my form wasn’t the greatest but I thought I was still getting great benefits by adding weight. I could have really injured myself and then where would I be?? Probably flat out on my back not doing any type of exercise except for physio lol! I have had my “aha” moment and for that I am very grateful!!!
No problem Liza! Good luck
Hi Marianne! I am so grateful for your videos and your good advices. I have learned a lot from you. Before I started my kettlebell-working at home, I had one lesson with a personal trainer. He told me to keep the weight on my heels when I got up from the squats, and you have taught me a lot about the glutes. I have become very conscious about the glutes after I found your site. But I am still a little bit worried about that exercise, because of my lower back and my knee. My spine lacks the natural curve in the end, it is very straight. That has caused me a lot of trouble in the past, and I have had two surgical operations because of prolapse. However, my back has been very well the last ten years and I very seldom have pain there now. I am also a bit worried about my right knee which hurts a bit now and then. I do the deadlift with 16 kg kettlebell, the squat with 8 kg and the swing with 12 or 14 kg and the single arm row with 14. Would you advise me to use a lighter weight for squats and deadlifts for a while, and perhaps do the squat with just bodyweight? It is not as the knee hurts when I am doing the workout, and I always keep in mind to sit back when doing the squats, but it hurts a bit afterwards. I am very eager to get strong, but also very conscious not to get injured. Maybe I am more vulnerable to injures because of my age? (I am 60). I am not overweight or anything, and quite strong and fit for my age, but I just want to take some precautions not to get injured. I am very grateful if you have the time to give me some advice. Have a nice weekend! Kind regards from Kirsten
Hey Kirsten,
With the squat, you would need to gauge the depth more carefully, to prevent lumbar flexion; same with any deadlifting. Ensuring you have good hip mobility will help with this and also remembering to use an appropriate weight for your ability. I wouldn’t say that definitely you should go lighter, but perhaps a different exercise? The reverse lunge, single leg deadlift or Bulgarian Split Squat might be a better alternative for both the back and the knees. I would guess that staying mobile by doing the squats and hip hinging, you will do your joints more good than being in active. The choice of weight is up to you and how you feel – since I don’t know why your knee is sore, I don’t know whether there is any reason not to squat with weight. This may settle over time, or it might just be an benign ache from the natural wear and tear. Body weight single leg deadlifts would be great for improving the knee stability, which may be the issue (perhaps the ligaments are straining a little due to some instability).
If you’re worries about it, get a doc/physio to check it out
Thank you so much, Marianne. I have now looked up the exercises that you suggest, and they seem to be very good alternatives. I will definitely try them out in my next workout on Monday. I really appreciate what you do, it is so kind of you. I wish you love and happiness. Kind regards, Kirsten